Their name is irrelevant to their mechanics, so why should it alone mean they don't stack? Name+effect is the only reasonable reading. Is it desirable to conclude that it wouldn't stack with the monk's AC Bonus? They have the same name, but work very differently. Wis to AC and Cha to AC/Con to AC aren't necessarily the same effect.įAQ is not RAW, but in this case I find its interpretation reasonable - name alone doesn't work as the criterion since you can easily have abilities with the same name but different effects.įor example, say you had another class with a feature called AC Bonus that grants a +1 bonus to AC for 1 round when you cast a spell. For example, FAQ takes same source to mean same name + same effect.
Same name alone doesn't necessarily make them the same source. The Knight of the Unseelie Court adds its Cha bonus to its AC and saving throws multiple times via different sources and bonus types.ĭue to the RAW on "same name" we can't stack the Swordsage, Monk, or Ninja "AC Bonus" features because they're identically named. A Paladin of Tyranny or Slaughter who takes Blackguard has Divine Grace and Dark Blessing, and even though they're identical and both use the character's Cha bonus, they have different names and thus are not excluded from stacking by RAW. A Wis bonus is not a bonus type, so adding that to the same thing from multiple different effects or using different actual bonus types will stack.ĭue to the RAW on "same name" we can't stack the Swordsage, Monk, or Ninja "AC Bonus" features because they're identically named. In either case, "same effect" or "same name" is not the same as "same ability score" any way you try to look at it. "Untyped bonuses stack unless the bonuses come from the same effect." "Different named bonus types all stack, but usually a named bonus does not stack with another bonus of the same name, except for dodge bonuses and some circumstance bonuses." I don't know what the verdict should be here.ĭMG p21, under Bonus Types, third paragraph: That implies stacking if the stat were different. If it were a different ability it wouldn’t “have the same effect”. This ruling bases itself on both features letting the character apply “her Wisdom bonus”. Since these abilities share the same name and have the same effect, they will not stack." "The swordsage’s AC bonus, allowing the swordsage to apply her Wisdom bonus to her armor class, mimics the ability of the monk’s AC bonus. While the FAQ has no rules weight, people who are conservative about rulings often put RAI weight on it, so I'll quote its ruling on why swordsage and monk AC bonus don't stack: But to be fair, NPC statblocks are unreliable. Fist of the Forest sample NPC shows both features stacking. The scaling bonus offered by battledancer's feature is a dodge bonus, while for everyone else it's untyped. Fist of the Forest's feature includes a callout to the monk feature battledancer's doesn't. The fact that all these features have the same name isn’t decisive, since to be redundant a feature also has to have the same effect. My question is whether using a different ability score, as Fist and battledancer do, qualifies it as a different feature. I'm aware of monk, swordsage, ninja and some PRCs (Wis), battledancer from Dragon Compendium (Cha), and Fist of the Forest (Con).īonuses from the same feature don’t stack. There are several classes that have an AC Bonus class feature that lets them add an ability bonus as an untyped bonus to AC while in no or light armor.
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